Hi Eve,
The sire bond only affects actions if Damon invokes it, but it has nothing to do with feelings, therefore when Elena is saying she is in love with Damon, I guess she means it.

I have always felt that Damon does challenge Elena to think outside her comfort zone, which is exactly what Rose was telling Jeremy he does for her. Damon does not impose his beliefs on Elena, but nor does he bend to hers. Damon and Elena will always argue, which I guess means opposites do attract.

Damon does want the “happy ever after” with Elena for an eternity, but apparently Elena chose to return human. This sent mixed signals to Damon much like, as you pointed out, was the same mixed signals sent to Stefan. I agree that Stefan’s jealousy and insecurities now have merit. I am enjoying the fact that Stefan is making decisions based on his own needs., as well as his relationship with Rebekah. She seems to bring out a happier side to Stefan much like Caroline is able to do. I think at some point Damon will need to do the same thing. Living their lives solely for Elena has not been beneficial to either Damon or Stefan.

Hi Georgia Peach, I believe Elena does love Damon….sire bond or not. I just don’t like the sire bond because it has people questioning her love and actions. Damon does challenge Elena…..she’s not used to someone saying no to her or that her idea is crazy. I agree with you about Stefan putting his own needs first….finally. He always put Elena’s needs/wants before his own so it nice to see him putting his own needs/wants first. I do like Rebekah with Stefan….unfortunately it won’t last if she’s going to the Originals. Caroline…..as long as they remain friends I’m okay with that….anything more I wouldn’t like. Sad part is both Damon and Stefan want/wanted a happily ever after……..will they have it…..hope so.

That’s actually a good point. There could be a scene where she confronts Damon and asks him why he couldn’t save him or why didn’t he come down the hole with Stefan and what not.

Also I would like Elena to confront Caroline about all the secret tellings (ofcourse of all these confrontations happens after she looses her humanity) and then the ending scene (i.e the programme ending scene) could be after one of these confrontations (let’s take Caroline for example), she catches her off guard, snaps her neck, she hits the ground hard and is bleeding from the head. Elena drags her out of her house with a trail of blood behind her.

Now that would be an epic ending scene!

I agree with so much of what you have said…quick question. I wonder how much of Elena’s decision to become human had to do with her lover for her for Jeremy? During her transition, Jeremy said he wanted his sister back and did not need another one of “Them’?

The “trust me” at the cabin-SB. Even though I think he did not mean it, he was reacting, BAM, out of his mouth with a direct command-SB.

Regarding the killing 12 people to break the bond. I’m not sure I follow this. Damon told Elena on the phone, “I’m going to get this cure for you. And I’m going to have to do things you don’t like.” She knows…Damon loves Elena period. Human, vampire, I’m convinced if she was a witch, zombie or whatever, he’d love her. Beks is right, he’ll never know peace until that bond is broken and it is true. If you’re indicating he would have had Jer kill 12 vamps to complete the tat to get to the cure to give to Elena to break the bond, that I understand. I read to mean he has to kill 12 vamps to break it?? He didn’t in NO, he killed 12 souls and the bond was not broken. He was told this, but Nandi’s mom was manipulating him so she could gain more power to use Expression.

Damon is a bad ass…with a purpose. He kills to ensure the people (albeit a small list) are safe and secure, he will kill to protect them. Elena does not want nor like this, but I can say, she sure as hell is glad now.

I think Damon’s sole crux of the whole SB issue is this. He fell madly in love with Elena. She loved Stefan and chose to be with Stefan. Damon wants Elena to be happy and will do ANYTHING to make her happy including overlooking his desires to get her what SHE wants. When she turned, her underlying, very true human feelings surfaced and magnified. She couldn’t deny any longer and Stefan saw this too. Damon desperate for her love, for a period of less than 24h had the one thing he wanted most in life…and it was ripped away.

Damon’s statement about “I’m fine with her either way brother.” He is. His problem, he really believes that Elena will not love him if she is human, therefore, he doesn’t want her to not love him. He is afraid.

The one thing I want to beat through both brother’s heads is this: A vamp bonds to her sire because she has strong true human feelings BEFORE she turns…that’s it-BEFORE she turns. This important fact is overlooked by both of them! Drives me nuts. I hate this supposedly small factor in the plot line called sire bond, it needs to go away.

Damon is desperate for Elena’s love. The only one to tell him, “I love you” is Elena. Having lived on earth for 170 yrs and not be told that your loved sucks!

Regardless, DE/SE put on hold indefinitely…as it should be. We’ve a funeral (maybe?) to get through. I hope both brothers rally and don’t fight each other, but I’ve a feeling, it’s gonna get crazy!

You people are just too Damon centric so you never really follow the show. Stefan never rejected Elena for any reason, his only concern about her personality change because at least when you turned you personality suppose to magnify not totally change, and he knew Elena better than Damon and knew that vampire is the last thing that she wanted to become, remember she was turned without her consent and he was the one who left her in the water on her request ( she would rather die than become a v) and the guilt is just bothering him wish he should not because he has done nothing wrong. if he doesn’t accept her why is he still in love with her? Damon is only interested in her for her love vamp or no vamp he did not care he just want her, its all about himself not about if she ok or not. now lets wait and see what jeremy’s death will do to that ‘love’ and see who will stood the test of time.

What loneliness? when was Damon ever lonely? and How many women or girls has ever rejected him? Kathrine dint reject him mind you, so what the hell are Talking about? Obsessing with one person true eternity and a cost of brotherhood isn’t love its like saying stalking some1 its because of love. what you delenas are confuse about is not really a love its about what Damon want, Its a petty u people will not see true Damon again cuz his already has his way with Elena so if after the sb she rejected him he might not really be bothered and you people will say its because he love her more, but before then killing the brother of some1 u clam to love because she said no because shes already with some1 ( by the way that’s not even rejection) that’s obsession not love, Elena slept with stefan but still he always there to help What would you call that? wanting that cure for Elena boils down to not knowing what will happened if his sure she will not love him Damon will rather Destroy that cure, he his the 1 who has no reason to be on that island not Elena as Rebekah said his intended mission is only defeated.

What Pretense did Stefan ever pretend? pls i want to know?

Like rose said getting involve with Damon could either be the best or the worst thing for her and 1 thing sure it can never be the best, i think you are right and this is just the beginning

Whatever…I ain’t biting on this one. It’s pointless. You see it one way-yours, I see it differently. I disagree with you, you disagree with me…moving on.

The witch said human feelings not true strong feelings and this is what bothers me…is to what extent were her feelings…feelings can mean anything…no doubt that Elena loves Damon but to what extent is what makes me wonder because of this stupid SB…and whose to say with actuall proof that compulsion over rides SB..im still not convinced with that…and I am one who believes SB is clouding her emotions for Stefan but guess we wont be finding out anytime soon since Elenas destruction now is going to blow the minds of the Salvatore brothers hehe

Can anyone direct me to the Ep that Ste gave Dam the blood doesn’t control me speech in the manor living room. Late s 3 or 4 but I can’t find it. thanks

Are you sure it wasn’t S1 after Stefan drank from Elena’s wrist and killed Frederick? I know he gave a speech to Damon regarding that very same thing in Under Control.

I disagree, I think the majority of what Damon has done was to protect her human life. He certainly didn’t get anything out of it, other than friendship from her, so it certainly wasn’t selfish.

As to searching for the cure this season…Elena is the one who decided she needed it. And I really can’t understand why. She claims to love Damon, so she would rather turn human again, and put yet another target on her back versus spending an eternity with the guy she claims to love. Damon has helped in the search for the cure, he certainly hasn’t hindered it…so how is it selfish of him to want Elena to get what she wants?

Well, if one is only just “good” for her and the other is “the worst” you have to wonder where this “best” fourth party is.

Oh, I see. OK…I seem to remember an episode last season, maybe it was 1912?, where Stefan once again something along those lines.

However, I think it’s been more of a natural progress with Stefan. The true test will be if there’s a bleeding human in his path….and I hope he does get everything under control, for his own sake:)

I don’t know about “enjoying” tonight’s episode….but I will be sitting on my couch, with my tissues & blankie, at 8:00 sharp;) Nina is going to rock it tonight, I’m sure of it!

Tissues and blankie for me too.