No they’re not…. There is still lot of story to tell in regards to that relationship. This is just another bump in the road for Damon and Elena. All this going on in the story right now just makes Damon and Elena more resilient.

Saw the webclip here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IlFPiH7sqqw.

It’s basically Elena using Stefan as a wall for her stretches and him warning her that she’ll end up like he did – a Ripper – if she’s not careful. It sounds like he’s projecting his own issues onto her again, just like he did in the beginning of the season but I guess he’s trying to make a point.

She’s not mean or rude to him or anything, just kind of nonchalant and she doesn’t seem completely “off” or emotionless, either.

Thank you! :)

Well, she doesn’t have any of his self-control issues and none of the horrible things he predicted for her at the beginning of the season came to pass once she started drinking human blood. It is true that she’ll probably end up doing things that she’ll regret later, though, now that she’s “switched off”. I hope nothing too horrible. She’s been through enough.

Stefan’s doing a great job, being a wall at all. “You can help me stretch!” x’D

But seriously, why is he warning her about becoming a Ripper? It didn’t happen when she first became a vampire, why would it happen now? Because she turned her emotions off? Yeah, right.

The only reason Stefan went in Rippah-dom was because he hadn’t learned control on his bloodlust (thank you, Lexi! You surely helped him… not) and couldn’t restrain himself when he got one taste of it in 1912.

Elena has learned control, and will not start ripping people apart now.

No, I’ve watched it and I’m good, thanks.

I never said Elena didn’t feel guilt or that she loved being a vampire or that she hadn’t changed at all. However, Stefan predicted that she would come completely unglued, fall to pieces and switch off her emotions the minute she drank from a human, hurt or killed someone. That didn’t happen at all because Elena is not a weak, fragile little girl with no ability to deal with her new reality. He just didn’t understand that about her.

She felt horrible about killing Connor but, when the hunter’s curse was lifted, she didn’t fall apart over it. She dealt with it and moved on.

She never would have been able to kill Rebekah in the first place and I’m pretty sure Stefan was just wisely attempting to distract her with the morality speech at that point so she didn’t get herself killed by the Original Sister. However, she didn’t feel a speck of guilt about killing an entire line of vampires.when she did it to Kol, so that entire argument is invalid.

She didn’t feel particularly guilty about feeding off of the people at the frat party, either. What she felt guilty about was for enjoying it with Damon. She hated that she indulged and had fun and “dirty danced” with him instead of being there with Stefan. Those are her own words.

While Elena has changed, she is not a completely different person at all. Damon is the ONLY person to see this – just like he saw it with Caroline and tried to explain that to her mother – and that speaks volumes about him.

Elena is still the same loving, compassionate person who – even though Caroline betrayed her trust – would trade places and be tortured or even killed to save her friend from a pack of vengeful hybrids. She’s a girl who would rather remain a vampire than risk Jeremy’s humanity or Matt’s life. She’s the girl who doesn’t think she deserves the cure above anyone else, no matter how terrible her situation is. She’s the girl who would rather sit and have Stefan accuse her of cheating on him than hurt his feelings by telling him the truth about why she slept with Damon.

So how is Elena a completely different person?

Only Stefan and Caroline have made those claims. Bonnie hasn’t said any such thing about her being “completely different” or “diseased” or needing to be “fixed”. Bonnie only got upset with Damon because she felt he was letting her get out of control when, actually, the opposite was what was happening. He was teaching her how NOT to lose control which Elena later admitted to Stefan.

The point is that, unlike what Stefan predicted, her guilt did not and would not have destroyed her. She has drunk from humans and she has killed and she dealt with it. She didn’t turn into a ripper, she didn’t turn off her emotions because of it, she didn’t lose herself at all.

I didn’t forget anything about the party scene, either. I’m certain Elena didn’t want to be like Damon and nobody said that she did. She didn’t want to be a vampire. That’s not in dispute at all. But she lied to Stefan about it being awful and she admitted it to Damon the next day when she told him that she hadn’t told Stefan that she’d enjoyed herself while getting high on blood and dirty dancing.

She certainly did care about hurting Stefan. Not being in love with him anymore isn’t about “hurting” him.. She tried to protect his feelings but she doesn’t live to serve him and his emotions. She was honest with him, they broke up for reasons he already knew about and accepted and she moved on. That’s it.

Breaking up with Stefan doesn’t make Elena a completely different person. She is an individual in and of herself and to tie everything that she is to Stefan and how she impacts his “feelings” is a huge disservice to her character.

I agree, it seems a little out of character for him but he might not be aware of Elena”s change into a vampire and as she and Katherine look exactly the same he could mistake Elena for Katherine. Though I really hope he wouldn’t suddenly ‘rekindle’ romance with Katherine and that at the very least if he’s ‘with her’ it’s a matter of him using her and not ‘falling for her tricks’ -again. Either way we have about 20 days before we’ll find out sadly.

The poster “from honor comes salvation” and he’s holding two keys in his hands

Hi Georgia Peach, I like Rebekah and have felt sorry for her because she seems like she has always wanted friends….boyfriend…..belong somewhere. She’s pretty forgiving and trusting of people….ie….when Elena staked her. I hope that Elena isn’t using Bex. With this new Elena anything is possible. LOL As for the triangle……at this point it seems like the show has gone in a completely different direction.

She was responsible for killing Kol and his entire bloodline. She didn’t stake him, but it was her plan. Elena is more like Damon than people want to admit. She is compassionate and values human life, but she’s also not afraid to get the job done and protect her loved ones at all costs. Stefan is not of the same mindset at all – except where Damon is concerned. He functions on principle, not on instinct.

I absolutely agree that Stefan and all of her friends need to be there for her and I wasn’t implying that Stefan was wrong for trying to stop her from doing things she’ll regret later. Because if she goes around murdering tons, she will regret it terribly. Anyone would. The original comment was just an observation that Stefan projects his own issues and weaknesses onto her when they don’t necessarily apply.

Elena doesn’t have the same issues that Stefan had from the very beginning. He loved being a vampire, reveled in the blood and sensation of it and that’s what led to him murdering so many people and, as a result, all of his guilt. Damon hated being a vampire and only fed to survive and so didn’t have all of the bloodlust problems. Elena is much more like Damon than Stefan in that respect.

And, yes, I know what Elena said after the party and I know that she had regrets but not for the reasons she voiced. She enjoyed herself very much, she loved being free with Damon and she didn’t want to acknowledge that. However, just because she didn’t want to admit to that part of herself doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. She was truthful, as always, with Damon but couldn’t be honest with Stefan about it.

On the surface, the frat party looked like an uninhibited blood orgy but Damon was there with a purpose. He wasn’t trying to get Elena to go around feeding on random people or killing as a habit because that’s not even how he lives anymore. He was trying to teach her how NOT to do that. After seeing her almost kill Matt because Stefan’s plan wasn’t working, he took matters into his own hands. By facing her cravings and learning how to control them, she would then be free of the demons that torment Stefan.

That doesn’t mean I don’t think Stefan will be instrumental in her regaining her humanity. I think all of her loved ones will be key.

People seems to forget how powerful is the Sire Bond.
Most of Elena’s actions was influenced by the Sire Bond.

Stefan plan didn’t work because of the Sire Bond. (Damon wanted her to feed on human, be a vampire).

Elena enjoyed herself at the party because of the Sire Bond. (Deep down she believes Damon when he said how a vampire should live).
The Sire Bond makes you believe in things even if you don’t agree with them. It’s the “illusion of free will”.
Elena knew that she has the choice to be “the good part of a vampire” (Lexi, Stefan).
So why she believed Damon now, if for 3 seasons she has believed that vampire has the choice to be a “good vampire”.

Elena wasn’t herself at the beginning of the season.

I mean at least for this season. for me it seems the writers are focusing on their individual trails and the brotherly bond for the rest of the season but maybe just maybe if we’re lucky we’ll see them rekindle in the finale but then we’ll have to wait till next season… Maybe I’m a little bit of a sceptic…

That’s cool. I was just being lazy. :). And I just got frustrated cuz I kept trying to sign in with my old user name and password and it wouldn’t recognize it.

I can’t wait to see Elijah again ! You’ve been missed Sir :)

Maybe that’s mean but the only things that keep me in the show now, are The Originals and Katherine. Don’t get me wrong – I loved this show since an episode one and I love Damon, Delena and Defan but the plot is starting to be more and more ridiculous. And I don’t like that they always kill off my favourite characters and make everything for Damon to be unhappy.

Here’s a thought, the show needs something different on the romance side. We’ve seen Stelena as a happy couple, we’ve seen the triangle, isn’t it delena time as a happy couple? I’m optimistic…

Wow I don’t think I could disagree more. In s3, elena had strong feelings for both brothers (the feeling started for d maybe even before this). she chose Stefan just to give the relationship 1 last go, out of respect – as expected it didn’t work out, Stelena was over a long time ago. To say she’s with d because of the sb is completely wrong, there wouldn’t be an sb if it wasn’t for her human feelings. With or without the sb, her feelings for him increased as a vamp and you couldn’t keep her away from Damon.

People know there’s an sb, but it has not influenced her entire vamp life. Damon only used it 3 times – humànity, the way she feeds and to send her away/bring her back. She has changed, her feelings grew any many ways, not cause of the sb but cause she became a vamp.

Selfish would have been If Damon sent her away – so she can miss him from afar, and she needs his support will all she’s going through. Staying with her, and rarely giving her direct orders – that’s unselfish.
To be fair, the sb doesn’t completely make sense, too many things unclear so I’m not surprised its up for debate so often

Yes, it is more than time for Delena finally to happen. I had heard Season 5 is all Delena…so hopefully we will be heading in that direction towards the end of Season 4…if not its a nice dream…

Boo on nothing but rumors. I keep thinking ‘screenshots or it didn’t happen’. XD Guess we’ll have to wait and find out, more pics should come out as we get closer to the release date of the episode. Though I think we still need photos for episode 17. This long break sucks : (

Damon could have left and not sent Elena away. When you love someone you do what’s best for them and not yourself. Elena has no free will and has to rely on Damon’s restraint? What a horrible fate Damon has left her in.

I totally agree. I don’t think anyone trying to help Elena right now will be a bad thing. She needs some relief from all of her emotional pain but she doesn’t need to pile on a bunch of guilt to deal with later.

We have no idea what the true influence of a vampire sire bond is. Some of what you’ve listed is pure speculation because only things that Damon SPECIFICALLY requested that Elena do were under his control, according to what we’ve been told so far. There hasn’t been anything on the show or in JP’s interviews that tells us that all of Elena’s behavior has been influenced.

So, if she wasn’t herself at the beginning of the season, then choosing to remain with Stefan, telling him he was the only thing keeping her together, and trying to follow his lifestyle weren’t her being herself? That seems like the opposite of what you’re trying to say, actually.

The reason that she believed one thing for 3 seasons and something entirely different now could be attributed to the fact that Elena wasn’t a vampire until now. She didn’t have the slightest idea what she was talking about and now she does