Ahh, once again, things are being assumed about Damon…he never actually admitted he couldn’t do it, did he? Rose did say it takes a few hundred years…Damon’s been a vamp for 145…maybe he still can, he just doesn’t because he has so much to loose now. Otherwise, the entire conversation he had with Jeremy (Founders Day) and Alaric (Isobel)regarding switching it off could become null and void. I think he still can, but he now knows what he’s in for in the future.  

Or maybe he thought he could. Maybe he thought he made the decision to switch it back on, but really it was just the natural evolution of the vampire conscious. He stopped feeling as a newbie to allow himself to survive and then for quite some time there was nothing there to feel. Then along comes Elena, and his reconnecting with Stefan and WHAM!! there’s things to feel. Of course that’s all just my thinking on the matter.
Although I could argue if he ever did switch off his feelings, how come he kept loving Katherine for 150 years? And, how come he didn’t just kill Stefan? Over the 150 years he hated him, there was bound to be a point where he could’ve just killed him and been done with it.

Or maybe he thought he could. Maybe he thought he made the decision to switch it back on, but really it was just the natural evolution of the vampire conscious. He stopped feeling as a newbie to allow himself to survive and then for quite some time there was nothing there to feel. Then along comes Elena, and his reconnecting with Stefan and WHAM!! there’s things to feel. Of course that’s all just my thinking on the matter.Although I could argue if he ever did switch off his feelings, how come he kept loving Katherine for 150 years? And, how come he didn’t just kill Stefan? Over the 150 years he hated him, there was bound to be a point where he could’ve just killed him and been done with it.  (Quote)

That’s why I love going back and forth with you Mac….you make me think:) I happen to agree with you…..the reason I was asking you this is because of Katherine actually…after watching this episode twice, I’m not convinced she planned on handing Elena over to the Originals, she hasn’t been exactly forthcoming, but it could stem from 500 years of having nobody to count on but herself.

That’s why I love going back and forth with you Mac….you make me think:) I happen to agree with you…..the reason I was asking you this is because of Katherine actually…after watching this episode twice, I’m not convinced she planned on handing Elena over to the Originals, she hasn’t been exactly forthcoming, but it could stem from 500 years of having nobody to count on but herself.  

I don’t know, she turned Caroline, and Tyler to use for the spell, so I can’t see what else she was planning on doing. The gang seem to be planning on despelling the stone next week, and they’re not sacrificing anyone, so I can’t see what other intentions Katherine would’ve had? Although she has lied about pretty much everything else so who knows?

I don’t know, she turned Caroline, and Tyler to use for the spell, so I can’t see what else she was planning on doing. The gang seem to be planning on despelling the stone next week, and they’re not sacrificing anyone, so I can’t see what other intentions Katherine would’ve had? Although she has lied about pretty much everything else so who knows?  (Quote)

Yeah, I know, who knows with Kat..

From the promo, the gang doesn’t intend on sacrificing anyone, but I got the impression Elena seemed to be pretty intent on sacrificing herself. The rest of the gang just wants to protect her. Seems to me they are working at cross purposes….or by Jer trying to get the moonstone from Kat, they are playing right into Elijah’s hands.

You know what I don’t understand? Slater (when compelled by Elijah) told Rose to hand over the moonstone to a witch and she should figure out what to do with it.Didn’t Bonnie had the moonstone in Masquerade? Why didn’t she felt something when holding it? Isn’t something about it written in Emily’s grimoir by any chance. She was more powerful as Bonnie…(not sure I wrote it correctly)And one more thing. We know now she is not strong enough. I hope she’ll contact Lucy somehow. Maybe together they would have more power. And we know there are two male warlocks in town…  (Quote)

Problem with the warlocks….the father is working with Elijah…of course, we don’t know all of the circumstances or if Luca knows, but still…warlocks and Elijah, not good.

As to Bonnie, nope, she’s not strong enough…but, remember Grams said many things can fuel a witches power…if she’s scared enough, she can possibly do things that she couldn’t do on a normal day.

It should only be in Emily’s grimoir if she cast the spell herself, which she didn’t.I think Elijah wants the guys to do the dirty work of getting the moonstone back from Katherine, he probably knows he can’t go in to get it, so he’ll let them do his dirty work for him. Telling them a witch would be able to figure it out was just a way of making them do it. I think..Oh and at least one of the Warlocks is working for Elijah, so I wouldn’t go trusting them anytime soon.  (Quote)

Mac, you’re right it shouldn’t be in Emily’s book.

I was wondering if the Lockwoods have some info but then I realized Tyler was looking on the internet to get some information… and we know Katherine gave it to the Lockwoods backn in 1864… so it’s dead end. :)

Oh, interesting point there though. Did George want it to try and break the curse himself? If so who was he working with, and does that mean there’s a whole lot more ware wolves than they know about? It would also mean that the ware wolves know about the doppelgangar thing if they were trying to break it too.  (Quote)

Maybe he thought he would be able to control himself. Katherine in Memory Lane told, that George was causing lots of trouble and everybody blamed the vampires.
I read an interview with Julie Plec today adn she said that there will be more werewolves not just Tyler himself.

It would be nice if Tyler came across some diary of George. :)

So, i think a lot of watches are wondering if Kat will redeem her self in the future??? I think setting up her background really helps the fans have fully developed view of her motivations. Like Damon said a couple of episodes ago, “Kill or be killed”

I am wondering how they are going to get out of this mess. My guess at this stage is that Jonas and Luka will be involved and ultimately die. I am considering that Elijah is Klaus for the time being. I am not sure about Rose’s intentions. My impression is that she came to the Salvators cause she need protection but i think she is going to screw them over in some way.

I like Elena and Kat scenes. I liked how they didn’t say means things to each other and that the exchange was honest. I feel sorry for Stefan in relation to Elena as well as Elena in general. To find out that your the problem. that you’ve brought the big bad to town!!!! While i don’t believe Damon and Rose have a future and that some scene where forced. I think it was needed for both of them to blow off steam and try to move forward. Love Caroline!!!!

Oh and what about Stefan comment to Caroline, “She’s with Damon isn’t she?” OMG, like that’s the worst thing, person or place that Elena could be? I think we all know that Elena is safe from danger with Damon. But i guess not from Stefan perspective.

@GA Peach. I was thinking about the whole Aztec thing earlier and did some looking. It is confusing. Somewhere I read that it was thought the Aztecs were originally descendants from Asia and came over the Beiring(??) Straight in like 970 AD, or something, and moved south. Maybe the ‘originals’ are not the root cause of the curse. Alaric said that the Aztecs were having problems of their own with rampant vampires and werewolves,and that was when the ‘sun & moon curse’ was made. I did see something about sun & moon & Aztecs but no longer remember what it was. Maybe it was ‘lesser’ vamps that annoyed the Aztecs and essentially ruined it for everyone. Vamps could have followed or been among them. Then again, how does the Petrova blood come into it? Agh, it is too much for my headache but I agree that the timelines don’t flow. Maybe I missed something, I just hope that it all irons out in the end. Just thinking out loud here.  (Quote)

Yep…completely know how you feel. Talk about obssession on my part, I feel like I’m trying to solve a “cold case”.
Don’t feel bad though because I was just reading some of the comments on the EW recap by Mandy and was surprised how many other people are doing the same thing.

I think Elijah compelled Slater into saying that to rose beacuse if they get the moonstone off katherine they no they will give it ( bonnie ) as she is the only witch in there circle. so this is were luka’s part will play i dont no what he will do to get the stone buh he may manipulate, charm, threaten well do something to get the stone off her, Elijah knows he cant get the moonstone himself because the spell on the tomb he is not stupid he wont risk himself getting into a bad situation when there is another way of getting the moonstone

If you dont understand what i mean by Elijah knos there’s a spell on tomb well im referring back to when he compelled elena and she told him the moonstone is in the tomb with katherine.

i maybe totally wrong but it could happen :)

Still processing this one, but I will say that it’s a real shame that Nina didn’t get a write in for these People’s Choice Awards as best actress. I mean no offence to any of the others who are nominated, but she should have been on the long list in the first place.
I’ll be back later when my thoughts have formed into more than TWO WEEKS!! I’VE TO WAIT TWO WEEKS!!!:)  

@Mac: Before the voting started PCA had a place to write in all the cat. no one was already picked. I think next year we need to make sure and post when that is happening so we can get Nina on the final list. I wrote her in and was so disappointed she did not make the final cut.

@ Taja- I agree with you Taja…I still find the whole thing really sad. Rose knows she will have to take a backseat to Elena and Damon, no matter how hard he tries, will never be able to give his heart to anyone else.

Stefan acted weird in this episode when he asked Caroline if Elena was with Damon….that was his jealousy coming out loud and clear. And by the way, why was no one wondering how the hell Elena got her necklace back? It was right there for all to see around her neck.

@Vamp Lover: You are correct and I had not thought about it..why didn’t anyone notice the necklace. Very good point.

I loved the interaction between Rose and Damon and felt very good with them together..for a little while. It was just comfort sex and they both needed it and I do think she will be a big help in the fight. After all she also needs the originals GONE. I also feel like Kat will end up helping for the same reason, she wants to be free of them as well.

@Mac: Before the voting started PCA had a place to write in all the cat. no one was already picked. I think next year we need to make sure and post when that is happening so we can get Nina on the final list. I wrote her in and was so disappointed she did not make the final cut.  

I didn’t know there was a voting stage before the one where they narrowed it down to the final nominations. I wrote her in a bunch of times, but I guess it wasn’t enough. I only knew about it though because they put the link up here. Next year they need to get the earlier stage of voting up too :)

Doesn’t anyone else think that maybe we shouldn’t be too quick too jump on the rose bandwagon, considering she’s the reason the originals will now know Elena exists? They clearly were, amazingly, unaware that Elena was around for the sacrificin’… but I guess somebody had to initiate the next chain of events in the plot, otherwise we’d have no show. :P  

I was saying the same thing!! Elijah and the Originals thought that the Petrova line ended with Katherine, so for the last 500 years they were only looking for Katherine for a bit of revenge. If Rose and Trevor hadn’t revealed Elena’s existence to Elijah, she’d be perfectly safe now, especially with Katherine locked up in the tomb. I’m actually surprised nobody has raised this point with Rose. She’s pretty much lead them right to Elena.

Ok here’s a dumb question. I don’t know if with all the guessing or what the deal is. My head hurts and I’m confused.lol So Elijah compelled Slater to kill himself and Slater even said I didn”t know vampires can compell another vampire. So that would mean that Slater was completely aware of what he was doing. So why didn’t Slater just not kill himself. Does that make sense?

What I dislike most of the time regarding Stefan is his additude and way how he is talking and thinking about Damon. His comment from the last episode made me think even more that his apology (in episode 8)was only a well-conceived move in order to use Damon’s conscience and love for Elena, to make him to give up the fight for Elena’s affection and move away from Elena. All this points to the assumption that he is very insecure in his relationship with Elena right now. As well as in Damon’s brotherly intentions regarding him.
…why didn’t anyone notice the necklace.
I think that question will come in future episodes.  

You are right about Stefan, I really dilike that comment about Damon in the last episode. If he knew what his older brother did for him he would have never felt that Damon is a threat for his relationship with Elena.
I think that nobody noticed the necklace because Stefan didn’t realise that it wasn’t there in the first place. I think that just Damon noticed it.

One more thing regarding Damon’s relationship with Rose is that she’s the only person around he could talk about his forbbiden feelings for Elena. They seem to understand each other with small words exchange.

I think that Stefan was being completely sincere when he apologized to Damon about wanting his brother with him if it was going spend eternity with anyone and Damon was/is his only brother. I know I’d want a family member with me, if it was forever. Just a matter of who…um, I’d really have to think about that one though. lol As for Stefan feeling insecure, that’s normal. Damon has made it clear to Stefan that he has feelings for Elena. For Stefan he is still thinking about the old Damon. The Damon that didn’t give a rats ass about people and would just kill/take what he wants even if his brother had slepted with Elena first. Perhaps if Damon would tell Stefan that he cares for Elena but because he loves/loyality to his brother he is stepping back. Damon and Rose…that can be one of those friends with benefits thing. lol

I expressed ambivalence about the Rose character (neither like her nor dislike her) and am waiting for a few more episodes to see whether my initial reaction to the character (annoyance/indifference) will change. That does not necessarily mean I hate her or am being “mean” to her. I simply haven’t seen the character enough to invest a strong emotion in her. I am waiting for Rose to live up to the hype surrounding her character when they (the people behind TVD) announced her entry into the show.

We don’t always have to be on the same page about everything. I don’t see any chemistry between the two actors playing the characters, some people do. That’s perfectly okay. We see what we want to see. Some think Rose with Damon is a very good thing. I’m reserving my opinion until I see more. And I think that’s perfectly fine, too. Just because some Damon and Elena fans here (whose opinions I like very much, by the way, and the fact that I have a different opinion from them right now doesn’t change that) think the Rose and Damon thing is the bees’ knees doesn’t mean I have to join the Rose lovefest, too.

We are individuals, not sheeple. Some people don’t care much for Matt’s character. I happen to think he’s sweet, and I like him. Some people don’t like Tyler very much. I didn’t always like him, but he’s grown on me and now I do. It all changes with the way the characters evolve. So to say that just because not everyone feels Rose right now means that those people are simply being “mean” is simplistic and sounds fifth grade. Those fans, myself included, could grow to like her depending on the way her character develops. She doesn’t get a free pass with me simply because she’s with Damon right now. And yes, she has to somehow make up for the fact that she was instrumental in bringing the existence of Elena to the Originals’ attention. If she is as fierce as the creative team behind the show said she would be, I would like to see that play out.

There may be fans who have expressed rather strong negative reactions to Rose (that she should die, that horrible things should happen to her, etc.) Sadly, there are extremists on either side of the TVD divide, and I’d like to think that those posting here are more rational than that.

She doesn’t get a free pass with me simply because she’s with Damon right now. And yes, she has to somehow make up for the fact that she was instrumental in bringing the existence of Elena to the Originals’ attention. If she is as fierce as the creative team behind the show said she would be, I would like to see that play out.
There may be fans who have expressed rather strong negative reactions to Rose (that she should die, that horrible things should happen to her, etc.) Sadly, there are extremists on either side of the TVD divide, and I’d like to think that those posting here are more rational than that.  

I have to agree with this. Given that Katherine was safely locked up in the tomb, Elena was in no danger from anyone any more. Rose & Trevor brought her to the attention of Elijah and the Originals, and now she’s in mortal peril again.
I find it odd that nobody has mentioned this yet on the show, but I’m sure it will be brought up at some point. They’re usually quite good as bringing things up when they matter.
I’m not saying I want Rose to die, but I have this funny idea that Damon is only using her to get as much info out of her as he can about Klaus, and then when he’s got enough he’ll bring up the fact it’s her fault Elena’s in danger, and rip her heart out.

I was saying the same thing!! Elijah and the Originals thought that the Petrova line ended with Katherine, so for the last 500 years they were only looking for Katherine for a bit of revenge. If Rose and Trevor hadn’t revealed Elena’s existence to Elijah, she’d be perfectly safe now, especially with Katherine locked up in the tomb. I’m actually surprised nobody has raised this point with Rose. She’s pretty much lead them right to Elena.  (Quote)

Rose’s part in all this has not escaped me at all, but I don’t blame her for it either. I can completely understand the steps Rose and Trevor took in order to gain “absolution” from Klaus. If I had Klaus and the Originals coming after me for over 500 years, I would take steps to remedy that situation too. Let’s face it, Elena has a bullseye on her back from several different directions just by being a Pertrova “doppleganger”. Do I like what Trevor and Rose did? Absolutely NOT! Rose’s loyalty to Trevor for over 500 years gave her bonus points with me, as well as the fact she was a friend of Lexi. Will she show the same loyalty to Damon in his struggle to protect Elena? Yes, I think she will. Of course only time will tell, but I am definitely willing to give Rose a chance. As a die-hard Damon fan and a Damon/Elena fan, I do not feel threatened in the least for Damon and Rose to find comfort with each other. I know Damon’s heart belongs to Elena, and only Elena. Rose knows this too, which means she knows what she is getting into. Since Rose was already a vampire when Katerina showed up, I wonder just how old Rose is?

Kind of off topic, but was anyone else a fan of Blood Ties? I have been watching it again and discovered that Henry Fitzroy and Kat were in England at the same time. Small world for vamps.lol

Holy Shit, and it just went from bad to worse….