I know she hasn’t got a ring, that’s what I meant by Damon being able to get away from her during the day. And not going out in the day is no excuse for being useless :)
Katherine was the doppelgangar for the person who was sacrificed to cast the original spell. She was a Petrova, but whether she was just a random choice for sacrifice or there’s more to it, I do not know.
I think in the books it had to be white ash or something like that to kill an original. It was a specific wood anyway, can’t remember which.
Couldn’t they just stake Elijah and while he’s temporarily dead, throw him in the tomb. Same for Klaus, problem solved.  

In the extras of the first season DVDs, they said they aren’t going by the books that much if at all so I don’t know if that would come into it. It would be interesting if it did, though. And, yeah, another great point. Why not just stake Elijah again and toss him in the tomb, Klaus when he shows up if they can even manage do stake him? Problem would be solved then. Just gotta get Stefan out first. LOL

@ Amanda & Mac: You know, the werewolf part of the curse is awfully painful…it is my understaning that if a werewolf breaks the curse first, they are no longer subjugated to changing on a full moon…they can change whenever they want or not at all. If Tyler finds this out, wouldn’t he try to break this curse himself so he wouldn’t have to go through the agonizing pain of changing on a full moon?Hope this makes sense..let me know what you think…  

Oh yeah! I forgot about that! Thanks for the reminder. Still, it would spice things up without all the melodrama. But, not counting any unaired episodes, Tyler doesn’t know any other wolves that he would, then, need in order to break the curse himself and I don’t see him wanting to die since he’s the only one, so far, around. He would want to break the curse and live to not change. Make for an interesting story of a great potential good guy going bad.

When Damon and Stefan were talking about “despelling” the moonstone, would that have broken the curse? Or was it just going to make it impossible for it to be broken? That bit confused me.
I do think that if Tyler knew he would consider the idea that he’d never have to change. I get the feeling though that there’s a lot more wolves floating about than we’ve been led to believe. The vampires worrying about the wolves breaking the spell doesn’t make sense otherwise.
Although, you’d assume most of the ware wolves would choose not to turn ever, if it’s that bad, rather than run around turning all the time just to kill vampires?  

I could be wrong (wouldn’t be the first time, won’t be the last) but, how I understood it, it de-spelling the moonstone would make it impossible to break the curse. But, that doesn’t make any sense to me because it’s not what binds the curse. It only seals the werewolf side of it. Kinda of unclear how that would work in making the curse impossible to break if it was de-spelled. Anyone else have any thoughts or insight, please chime in. Though I agree the whole werewolf storyline really doesn’t make much sense anyway. But, that’s just me.

This is about the promo for next week when Damon is in the bar, unless Matt’s mom has come back that was an old clip from last season. That was her wasn’t it?

@Nickylove4ever: What show are you watching?? I am not understanding any of the Mom or Mother points you are trying to make. Elena’s mom has never been on the show.

“No matter how it is said you don’t hook up w/ your brothers ex & the man your mom slept w/ regardless.” Explain please, what have I missed?

I am so sick of the Vampire Damon Diaries. This is so sickening. Stefan would not hook up w/ Katherine but in order for the writer to finish him & Elena off for good they put him with Katherine. That scence w/ Kat & him literally made me want to gag. Kat came to town Stefan figured it out & was ready to fight her.H Stefan does not show any sparing of words to Kat. She wants him because he wnats Elena same w/ Damon just like Kat said. Damon was ready to take Kat back in eps 1 Elena was second choice. Elena has been first choice for Stefan since day one and he had done everything to protect her ungratefullness. Rose called Damon & told him what Elena was doing. He rushed over there & didn’t tell Stefan so he could make himself look like a hero to Elena while poor Stefan not wanting Bonnie or Jeremy to die rushed in the tomb to save Jeremy. The same as he did in eps 14 when Elena scereamed he went in w/o regard for his own lfe. He also went to get Damon out of the tomb as well same as in eps 22. Stefan has held Elena up to a pedestal since day one. She has been wishy washy to him only coming around after eps 17 when he turned bad. She was so into him for those three eps. Damon starts to fall for her out of jealousy when she said this is Stefan we are talking abt. he said I get it. Every since then he has been after her to love him he was still trying to get Kat back in the beginning of eps 17 then jumped to Elena at the end. He figured out that if he shows her he can be a hero like Stefan she should jump on the wagon like so many women her Katherine, Elenas mother, her best friend Caroline, Matts mom, Rose and on and on. She fell for it and poor Stefan she breaks up w/ him he tries to still protect her like a fool in love. She has now made it clear to him that she loves Damon as more and him less. If she had not tried to give herself to Klaus Stefan would not have risked his life to save Jeremy and Damon could be in the tomb w/ Katherine but they never give Stefan the good story lines because it is the Damon show. No matter how it is said you don’t hook up w/ your brothers ex & the man your mom slept w/ regardless. There should be no Delena or Stelena as to much has happened. Stefan is never going to come back from his time w/ Katherine & that is why they broke him & Elena up for good so Damon could once again ride in & steal Stefans girl w/ ease and leave his brother in the tomb to finish working Elena’s dumb self over.
Elijah could have easily killed Damon and Lukas father came in and took somany of Elenas things. She does not check her room before she leaves duh! I knew Luka was in on this with his dad.
Rose was just for a few eps I don’t blame her for running if it wasn’t for her Elijah would have taken Elena and kept her until it was time for Tylers transformation. Elijah seems to be invincible but if they cut his head off then he cannot come back duh he is dead! I have yet to see a headless vampire running around end of story. The problem is going to be in trying to take out Luka father who is a strong warlock he can kill the Salvatores easily w/o even touching them and Bonnie, & now Elena as he has put a spell on her.
I don’t want to see Caroline w/ Tyler he is still creepy and now that he is a wolf that makes him worse and an enemy to her. She should never hook up w/ him good she can’t have kids those would be ugly kids at night and on a fool moon.  

Just look up at some of my previous comments above and you’ll see I agree with you to a certain extent. What I don’t agree on is that Stefan’s not Mr. Perfect Hero. Examples: If he was really so convinced Elena wasn’t Katherine, than why was/is he so worried that she would mess/choose to be with Damon instead of him? Worried that history would be repeating itself? Damon can be in love with her all he wants but history repeating and Stefan’s worries would only be valid, would only be a possibility, if Elena really was more like Katherine and he knows it. Elena’s resemblance was the very first thing that attracted Stefan in the first place. If he really wasn’t the brother that still had a major thing for Katherine, why would that attract him? He would have ran in the opposite direction for the hills screaming all the way knowing what happened the first time around. Back in 1864, he didn’t give one bit of a damn about how and what going after Katherine in the first place would do to his relationship with his brother. That means that Stefan knew all too well that Damon was going after her BEFORE Stefan made his move for her too. Damon was courting her first. That was before all the compulsion by Katherine. Then, if he really turn to hating Katherine, truly hating her and truly serious about taking her out, why didn’t he on the times where he had her (the cellar, the party where both brothers had every intention of killing her after she was down and out by Lucy). Both of us are smarter than to think it was for the information she knew. That was the farthermost thing from his mind. He only thought of that AFTERWARDS and Dumbass Elena was the one who thought of that first. Come on! Elena thought of getting the info from her before the brothers who knew her better than Elena could ever hope to know her? They should have been the ones to think of that and know right from the get-go that Katherine knew much more than they probably would want to know about everything.

Don’t want Caroline with Tyler?? Why not? What about Elena being with either Salvatore brother? Same principle applies. The Salvatore brothers are VAMPIRES. They can kill Elena just as easily if not more so than Tyler could kill Caroline. Vampires are fluff bunnies and harmless. They are killers by nature and instinct which, now, to an extent for Damon anyway, they try to fight but it’s still there and it’s still highly influencing to them. And Tyler creepy? Yeah, he turns into a wolf. What about the fact that vampires are walking corpses? Think about that. Eww. Which one is worse? A walking corpse (Caroline) with a wolf (Tyler) meaning necrophilia-bestiality combo or a living HUMAN (Elena) with a walking corpse (Stefan and/or Damon) meaning flat out necrophilia? Since this is fiction, the less creepy one is the former since there’s no way for it to actual happen whereas there’s some really sick individuals out there in this world that do practice the latter for real. And, yes, in this story, vampires are, at the bottomline, walking corpses since they have to DIE with vampire blood in their system than feed on human blood to become a vampire. They have to keep feeding on blood because their hearts don’t beat meaning that, technically, they are still considered physically dead. The intake of blood is the only thing that keeps them able to walk around. They become a crusty, mummified, dessicated corpse unable to talk or move if they don’t.

So….why is a Caroline-Tyler combo so creepy in light of all that? Just asking because (no insult intended in any way, FYI) what you said is highly hypocritical in the face of those facts.

They’re talking about Isobel, Elena’s biological mother.Damon told Alaric he slept with her before he turned her.  

OK thanks, that makes sense. I was thinking of who Elena thinks of as her mom.

I am so sick of the Vampire Damon Diaries. This is so sickening. Stefan would not hook up w/ Katherine but in order for the writer to finish him & Elena off for good they put him with Katherine. That scence w/ Kat & him literally made me want to gag. Kat came to town Stefan figured it out & was ready to fight her.H Stefan does not show any sparing of words to Kat. She wants him because he wnats Elena same w/ Damon just like Kat said. Damon was ready to take Kat back in eps 1 Elena was second choice. Elena has been first choice for Stefan since day one and he had done everything to protect her ungratefullness. Rose called Damon & told him what Elena was doing. He rushed over there & didn’t tell Stefan so he could make himself look like a hero to Elena while poor Stefan not wanting Bonnie or Jeremy to die rushed in the tomb to save Jeremy. The same as he did in eps 14 when Elena scereamed he went in w/o regard for his own lfe. He also went to get Damon out of the tomb as well same as in eps 22. Stefan has held Elena up to a pedestal since day one. She has been wishy washy to him only coming around after eps 17 when he turned bad. She was so into him for those three eps. Damon starts to fall for her out of jealousy when she said this is Stefan we are talking abt. he said I get it. Every since then he has been after her to love him he was still trying to get Kat back in the beginning of eps 17 then jumped to Elena at the end. He figured out that if he shows her he can be a hero like Stefan she should jump on the wagon like so many women her Katherine, Elenas mother, her best friend Caroline, Matts mom, Rose and on and on. She fell for it and poor Stefan she breaks up w/ him he tries to still protect her like a fool in love. She has now made it clear to him that she loves Damon as more and him less. If she had not tried to give herself to Klaus Stefan would not have risked his life to save Jeremy and Damon could be in the tomb w/ Katherine but they never give Stefan the good story lines because it is the Damon show. No matter how it is said you don’t hook up w/ your brothers ex & the man your mom slept w/ regardless. There should be no Delena or Stelena as to much has happened. Stefan is never going to come back from his time w/ Katherine & that is why they broke him & Elena up for good so Damon could once again ride in & steal Stefans girl w/ ease and leave his brother in the tomb to finish working Elena’s dumb self over. Elijah could have easily killed Damon and Lukas father came in and took somany of Elenas things. She does not check her room before she leaves duh! I knew Luka was in on this with his dad. Rose was just for a few eps I don’t blame her for running if it wasn’t for her Elijah would have taken Elena and kept her until it was time for Tylers transformation. Elijah seems to be invincible but if they cut his head off then he cannot come back duh he is dead! I have yet to see a headless vampire running around end of story. The problem is going to be in trying to take out Luka father who is a strong warlock he can kill the Salvatores easily w/o even touching them and Bonnie, & now Elena as he has put a spell on her.I don’t want to see Caroline w/ Tyler he is still creepy and now that he is a wolf that makes him worse and an enemy to her. She should never hook up w/ him good she can’t have kids those would be ugly kids at night and on a fool moon.  (Quote)

@nickylove4ever
i thought the same thing but then could it possibly be Katherine filling Stephan’s mind with visions again like in previous episodes considering how weak he is compare to her?