YES. My thoughts exactly on the Stefan vs. Angel part. Every single move that Stefan made in this season has been justified by the writers. Well except for the bridge incident, but hey, Elena forgot about that one really quickly cos you know, it’s not a big deal. Ugh. I mean, if you want to show a vampire who’s off the rails, you probably need to stop putting him on an even higher moral ground than before. I feel like they’ve been trying to show us one thing, but I keep seeing the other. Stefan can do no wrong, he is a tortured soul, a martyr. C’mon, even Paul Wesley said it, he wants to see Stefan indulging in his vampire nature, accepting who he really is, the things he’s done. It’s a shame, cos PW is an amazing actor, but they don’t give him much to work with, other than being broody and mortified. We all know he’s not a saint, but he keeps being presented that way. 

Oh, that scene with Caroline and Elena-beyond ridiculous. Like I said, nobody on this show acknowledges the bad things Stefan’s done. And why? I have no idea. Just like no one acknowledges the good things Damon’s done. We’ve never seen that role-reversal like it was promised. But the thing is, no matter how much crap they make Damon go through, no matter how angry and disappointed that makes us, we are still here-watching the show. I don’t know why are they so afraid the Stefan fans won’t do the same if the same things happened to his character. I honestly feel like this show could use a new, fresh point of view, so that they would stop repeating themselves. Or at least try to be consistent with the story they’re telling. 

Hmm i get what you mean. But I think its too early for the “happy” couple you seem to want. That feels more like endgame to me. To be honest, i don’t think we’ve had a full blown triangle yet! she must first hook up with Damon, then after that happens she can have her conflicting feelings. She can decided to be with neither brother if she cares. I’m just saying, that before she makes her decision, there must be something between her and Damon, and finally fulfill what the show is being advertised on!! it’s about time we see that EW cover come to life!!

TVD is not only about DELENA. Period.

You’re right. It’s all about STELENA. Period.

Hey girls, thanks for the discussion. Enjoyed reading it!