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Posted by | October 12, 2012, 5:28 (MST) | 139 Comments
Category: The Vampire Diaries TV

Here’s a bit more of next week’s episode, Memorial (EP402), from the CW.

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  • Maryam

    I hope they explore that whole vampires-drinking-vampire-blood alternative too. I mean, the whole Mikeal (a.k.a Klaus’ dad) drinking VP blood storyline wasn’t ever really explored, so I really hope they do that! And I’m wondering whether vampires desiccate if they only drink vampire blood, or if Mikeal survived desiccation only because he was an Original and couldn’t die/get hurt by conventional vampire means?!

  • CarriEllen

    One thought I had was that maybe their deaths cause powerful vampire hunters to be created or come up the grave, because of some magic that Alexander had done to him, and that’s his connection to Conner.

  • From Beginning To End

    The 1920’s aren’t blacked out for him anymore, that was only because Klaus compelled him to forget that time. I think you’re right that he probably didn’t really love her, but he thought he did and that’s what he told her and thinking about it from Rebekah’s perspective, it’s like going to bed with a boyfriend who loves you and waking up to him totally not caring about you at all the next morning. I just think it’s sad.

    Sorry, by “first choice” I didn’t mean who you loved first, I just mean who you most want to be with, which can change. Right now for Elena that’s Stefan but if she ended up with Damon it wouldn’t be the same kind of issue unless the circumstances were that Stefan died or rejected her or something. Then I’d have a problem with that too. But with Rebekah and Damon, it’s like, we’d never really know what either would do if Stefan or Elena changed their minds. I just can’t root for a couple like that.

    I’ve actually never been under the impression Katherine loves Damon. I guess she sort of said something like that in the car with Stefan, but when they hang out it just seems REALLY platonic. She did set him up to die with that dagger the one time, and she had no one way of knowing Stefan and Elena would find out and warn him on time. Also she doesn’t seem to care AT ALL when Elena and Damon are together, vs getting murderous when her and Stefan are. That’s just my own interpretation though.

  • From Beginning To End

     I THINK they can, since when Vicki fed on Logan Fell he was dead at the time (only to wake up in transition). This is going to sound pretty gruesome but I’m sure most of Stefan’s victims were dead before he finished feeding, since he does so until their heads fall off…..

  • From Beginning To End

     Yeah…that sounds like a plot hole to me. Unless the tiny amount she got on her finger wasn’t enough to bother her.He must’ve had vervain in him or else they could’ve just compelled him to let them out in the first place. There was vervain being released into the air in that room that too.

  • lolalovestvd

    I just feel that Stefan pretending to be a teenager when he is actually 160+ years old did do harm. It’s all part of his denial of his reality and it put Elena and her loved ones in danger from the very beginning.

    The joy of viewing this show is that everyone can analyse what they view and root for their favorites. I just don’t happen to agree that Stefan and Elena have a beautiful love story at this point. That’s not to say that they don’t love each other. Just that there’s too much denial and too much running away from the hard stuff.  

    I prefer the messy honesty of Damon and Elena’s friendship. I like that they challenge each other and push each other to think, consider and evaluate their ideas and ideals. Who would ever want a partner who blindly acquiesces and never pushes boundaries or questions choices? Damon can be too controlling but so can Elena. They bicker because neither will blindly follow the other. 

    BTW, I didn’t say Stefan never made Elena happy because obviously he has at times, just that she does sometimes wear a mask with him. She props him up and pretends to be okay because he becomes so easily overwhelmed with guilt and pain and that scares her. Nobody was happy in S3 and I never saw Elena pretending for Damon’s sake. I don’t think either of them ever thought about their own happiness at all, only about helping Stefan. 

    Both brothers lashed out unjustly at Matt, insinuating his life wasn’t as important as Elena’s. Damon shouldn’t have gotten physical with Matt. It was horrible and disturbing (and I’m sure we’ll hear about it until the series finale) but there’s no way he was actually going to kill him, regardless of how he goaded Elena. If he’d wanted Matt dead, that’s what would have happened. I think the writer’s were actually using this as a misguided way to illustrate how far Damon has come. A few months ago, he would have snapped Matt’s neck the instant he laid eyes on him.
    Anyway, if the writer’s are sticking with SE, I hope they make them start functioning in a more mature way and face the internal issues of their relationship. If it’s just going to continue as a superficial ideal of the epic love story, then it’ll be very hard to ever believe in it.

  • †_ṂῘⱤ₳∏ƉΔ_†

    Here here :(

  • †_ṂῘⱤ₳∏ƉΔ_†

    I think Stefan “was” what Elena needed. Her dying however has changed the game and now she will come to terms with the fact, eventually, that she needs Damon. If not, why so much hype between these two? If they were never going to end up together…. It maddens me that they had to have Elena die though for her to choose Damon :/ 

  • †_ṂῘⱤ₳∏ƉΔ_†

    AAG JP justified it in an interview? >.< damn it! This depresses me because she constantly ships Stelena and it leaves me thinking that no matter how many fans protest, it will be Stelena end game :( 

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  • †_ṂῘⱤ₳∏ƉΔ_†

    The fact that 16 people have liked this says so much…. and all the other likes you have Ihatepeople on your comments on this subject…yet justice is never done? why? It really isn’t fair, and as you said, it’s very irritating that they have mislead us if they are never planning on having Delena together properly :(

    I say this about the likes on your comments because it’s standard mathematical probability that, in general, such large amount of votes on comments concerning Delena obviously spills out onto other forums, pols, etc…

  • †_ṂῘⱤ₳∏ƉΔ_†

    So then she would be like Michael? Feeding on vampires only? But why Damon? Why doesn’t she choose to feed from Stefan… ? I’m hoping it does have more to do with the fact that he sired her… and maybe to do with a future unique sire bond between the two of them that hasn’t caame to light yet…

  • †_ṂῘⱤ₳∏ƉΔ_†

    It’s a nice thought… probably won’t come true though :(

  • †_ṂῘⱤ₳∏ƉΔ_†

    Why does everybody think bonnies spell has had any effect on Elena? Did they say this in an interview or something? I seemed to think the only consequence was Bonnies Gran being “eternally damned” or something of the sort. As bonnie passing over to the other side could have been for any reason, to see any dead person, she didn’t actually do anything with Elena, she just pulled her a little then let her fall on her ass… haha I’m confused

  • †_ṂῘⱤ₳∏ƉΔ_†

    but he told Damon that it was an acquired taste that he had to get used to or something like that… 

  • †_ṂῘⱤ₳∏ƉΔ_†

    I couldn’t see if anyone had thought of this, but maybe she’s sick because she didn’t have enough human blood when she was changing? I mean, she only had a teeny tiny little drop, and perhaps this whole sick thing is because she needs to fully feed. She’s weak. 

    It also could leave room for a different kind of story, one where the fact that she had so little human blood in her transition could lead to her being able to deal with the bunny diet wonderfully. Like no other vamp has. Then Damon would be wrong to make her feed, Stefan would be right, Damon the bad guy, Stefan the good guy, same old story… 

  • Georgia_Peach

     Don’t think it has anything to do with being sired, otherwise she would be loyal to Damon to a fault with no opinion of her own.  That is not the issue.

    It may have to do with the fact that his blood was in her system and while Elena was in transition and in between the two worlds (death and living) there was a disruption in the process when Bonnie tried to bring her back.  The spirits of the dead witches interfered, which is the reason she was altered and may now have a dependency on Damon’s blood to sustain her vampire life. 

    Of course that may not be the case at all. 

  • †_ṂῘⱤ₳∏ƉΔ_†

    Yeah your right… It would have been instant the sire bond… damn… a girl can hope! 

    Im a little confused as to why bonnies attempt to help Elena would have this effect on her, but I guess It could be… I just kind of thought that Bonnies decision to cross over didn’t really tamper with Elena much, as she hardly did anything. Aaaa role on thursday!!! 

  • Zara

    ROFL OMG—-I’m sorry—hahaha—-but the answer was in the

    they had to have Elena die though for her to choose Damon :/

    EXACTLY. How real could they really be real if something THAT dramatic had to happen in order for them to be ‘meant to be.’ Sounds a little too contrived if you ask me. 


  • †_ṂῘⱤ₳∏ƉΔ_†

    I don’t think I need to explain what I meant when I said that they had to have Elena die… 

    I don’t know why it was so funny… 

    We are still talking about living dead people aren’t we? vampire series? yes? okay just checking… 

    Elena died, ergo she became vampire and lost her innocence… you know, eternal damnation of the soul and all that… ergo character change. And a serious one. I just simply stated that I will be mad, in the case that this happens, when she falls for Damon, as a Vampire, and her human self didn’t. 

    Which is probably what will happen you know? in the end of course.

  • ihatepeople

    You’re right. I just rewatched that ep last night.

  • ihatepeople

    No, I didn’t read it anywhere. It’s just speculation about why she’d have to drink from Damon.

  • ihatepeople

    “Damon would be wrong…Stefan would be right, Damon the bad guy, Stefan the good guy, same old story”…LMAO. You said it. Same old story is the theme of season 4 so far at least. They don’t call it “resetting” for nothing.

    Any reason for her being sick is fair game. The thing with Bonnie tapping into dark magic to try to prevent her transition even though she wasn’t successful I thought might have the consequence of Elena having feeding issues because the”balance of nature” (trying to prevent her death) was being upset.

  • †_ṂῘⱤ₳∏ƉΔ_†

    Ah okay thanks. I notice a lot of people have mentioned it. Anythings possible on this show I guess…

  • ihatepeople

    Yeah, you’re probably right. I was reaching. LOL. That will only happen in the fanfiction world. There goes that optimism again. Wink wink.

  • †_ṂῘⱤ₳∏ƉΔ_†

    haha sorry :( 

  • †_ṂῘⱤ₳∏ƉΔ_†

    Could be… they did say there would be consequences “plural” … so maybe…  She does look pretty ill on the photos for ep2. In the church. It doesn’t look like just normal hunger pains thats for sure…

  • †_ṂῘⱤ₳∏ƉΔ_†

    uups wrong window

  • ihatepeople

    Yep, she did. In fact I just saw it again recently. I find it disheartening too but not overly surprising. I think after 3 seasons (working into the 4th) that we do know what the end game is and that it won’t be a surprise. I’d love to be wrong but I’m just not feeling the optimism at the moment. ;)

  • ihatepeople

    Unfortunately I think the “why” is because we’re only spectators in someone else’s story so no matter how frustrated we get or how much we might want something to change we have zero control.

  • ihatepeople

    I think there are a lot of people who already have a hard time believing SE as the epic love story. It comes down to redundancy and lack of growth. You’ve stated the reasons for each ship very well in my opinion. I’m with you on the lack of honesty and reality with the SE relationship and the passion and challenge of the DE friendship. To me the latter is more of a mature relationship maybe because I’m an older viewer or maybe because I’m not someone who wants a passive partner.

  • Zara

    Except that I don’t see where all this blasted denial is
    coming from? SO you’re a vampire and that makes it ok to embrace to such a
    point where killing or hurting innocent people is accepted because being a
    vampire means you have no morality right? Wrong. I’m sorry but why is it called
    denial when you care, or want to try and do the right thing and do right by
    others? That’s denial why? I see that as recognition that it doesn’t have to be
    that way if you don’t want it to be. The fact that you can ‘switch’ your
    emotions off implies that there is an ‘on’ button too. Stefan hid his darkness
    out of shame. He self loathes and feels tremendous guilt. Why is it so hard to
    connect the dots there? It makes complete sense that he wouldn’t want to
    advertise it. I’m not trying to advocate Stefan hiding things but he wasn’t
    trying to be malicious about it. It was more about how he views himself not how
    others view him. Not only that but why go on about an argument that might have
    had the shelf life of a week back in S1? It’s over. Move on. If Stefan hiding
    those things were to make anyone affected by it the writers would have done so
    back in S1. It’s time to let go.

    There’s nothing wrong with liking that dynamic of a
    relationship. Many people do because for some fans it’s about the preference in
    who these two men are and then how Elena responds to them. This statement does
    nothing but to reiterate the point that we all have different view points.

    This is just reaching way too far. I mean my god— have they
    never told their mother, father, brother, sister, boyfriend, girlfriend,
    husband, wife that everything will be okay out of comfort? My god. I’ll never
    do it again because then I’m just being fake, manipulative and unloving.

    Damon sure as hell thought of his own ‘happiness’ when he
    made the moves on Elena. Not hating—just saying.

    Damon most definitely lashed out unfairly towards Matt. I
    think Stefan’s speech meant something other than what everyone initially took
    it as, but that’s just my opinion. Personally, Matt was being ungrateful and
    already giving up on his human life just before it has even begun. It reminds me
    of what Stefan said to Elena in 2×15 about wanting her ‘to fight for it’ and
    Elena has sacrificed her life for him, so he should be grateful for being
    alive, because Elena would want him to live a normal, happy human life,  but if
    he just decided that he just doesn’t care about life, and just wallows in self-pity and gives Damon the right to lower the quality of his life through bullying, because that is what he was doing in 4×01 and even allowing him to KILL HIM, then
    poor Elena sacrificed her humanity for nothing, and she might as well have just saved herself, but no she was selfless enough not to, and Stefan was selfless enough to respect her decision in that. I know I’m going to get hate for that, but whatever.

    I guess we’ll never know how far Damon would have come

    The writers wanted to show how far he’s come? I’m sorry but
    if anything he’s regressing. They even said as much.

    Desperation. That’s what this is. It’s a desperate, and
    convenient and flawed argument to use against SE. So two people who are trying
    to make the best of everything, and not give up or give in is just immature,
    and superficial? Yeah because not being able to delay gratification, or not
    even trying to do the right thing is the mark of maturity. There’s a difference
    between being an realist, and someone with a screwed up moral compass. As
    usual, Damon is right about what will or could happen but not always about what
    they should do about it. There may be something refreshing about a person who
    has no filter and will shove the truth up your ass but that doesn’t mean
    positivity and hope are somehow less powerful. It doesn’t mean they are trying
    to ignore the truth, but are trying to make the best of it.

    Your failings are showing. You’ve talked so much without
    even knowing what you’re talking about. It makes me wonder who and what you
    really care about.

  • Zara

    Again it’s all just reaching. Some people are trying to look
    more into things than what’s really there. Both Stefan and Elena have a lot of
    individual angst or issues within themselves that like to post threats but what
    you see is both of them growing together and still loving each other no matter
    what. We saw Elena loving Stefan when she didn’t know what he was. We saw Elena
    loving Stefan when she found out he was a vampire. We saw Elena loving Stefan
    when she didn’t know about his past and we saw Elena STILL loving Stefan when
    she found out that he has a dark side and then an even darker side still. See a
    pattern? It doesn’t matter. They still love each other even if it pulls them
    away at times. A lot of it is the internal struggles they face within
    themselves individually. The other person just never gives up on them. They
    wait. They fight. They STILL love. That’s the point.

    And yeah, Damon and Elena don’t put on their party dresses
    and act like a lady and a gentlemen most of the time. I get why that’s
    appealing but just be honest for five minutes. Elena and Stefan just want to be
    good people and sometimes struggle with that. Is that any less real? Think
    about it.

    Stefan and Elena also try and face their issues the best
    they can. Haven’t you noticed that they’ve overcome all the obstacles and
    reunite EVERY time? Why is it real for one pairing that does this and deemed
    fake for the other?

    Not only that, but what great obstacle has Damon and Elena
    overcome? Where did it get them? Not saying Damon and Elena haven’t been
    through shit because they have, but Stefan and Elena’s relationship and LOVE
    has been threatened time and time again and just when you might have thought it
    could be over- they come back stronger than ever. There’s something to be said
    about a great love that defies all the odds. Stefan and Elena have that so far.
    What does Damon and Elena have? Something, perhaps. But whatever it is doesn’t
    measure up to that.

  • Zara

    Well, I don’t think Stebekah and Delena would even last for, even ‘a little while’ tbh, if they do happen, so I doubt that is really an issue, but I get what you mean.

    No, that’s a valid interpretation. I sometimes feel the same
    way. I just feel like she has an unhealthy obsession with Stefan and have
    delved a bit with why. I think the reason I find it significant is that she’s
    supposed to be so selfish and yet she gave up her chance to be free of Klaus (
    what’s she’s wanted for so long) to try and help save Damon—then admits that
    she did love him. If anything, I think there’s some unfinished business there
    but I don’t disagree with what you said. 

    Also, I’d like to add that she knows how obsessive and protective etc. Damon can get, so she kind of did him a favour in 2×01 by letting him go, even though it was brutally done, so he can move on, and not worry about Klaus chasing her down, because inevitably he would end up in the cross-fire dying for her AGAIN. Also, how would Delena get any development if she just said ‘Yes, let’s run into the sunset!’ in 2×01 to Damon, and well he would be MIA with Kat for the majority of the show, and he’s a main, so that’s not really feasible, and Poor Nina Dobrev, if she had to do more scenes as Kat, whilst being Elena. Also, it would affect the bond between Stefan and Damon, and that’s an integral part of the love triangle as well. So, it just wouldn’t work. Furthermore, I think she is frightened by how ‘real’ their relationship was e.g. no compulsion, and that she can yell from the rooftops that she loves Stefan, but in reality, it’s not going to go anywhere because he’s with Elena and is deeply in love with her. So, yeah Datherine IMO have major potential. Steferine have potential as well, but I see them having more of a frenemy bond of some sort. Like they would work together if they had to, but Datherine work really well together, and Damon did trust her with their plan in 3×09, and they both genuinely still care about each other, and they have been through the most shit together in the past 145 years. So, yeah I can go and say that they are probably the most ‘epic’ relationship on the entire show. I’m hoping for a Datherine endgame, but in the meanwhile I would like Dabekah to hook up again, or a few times. LOL. And then when Kat returns have a Kat/Damon/Rebekah love triangle, and there could also be a Damon/Rebekah/Matt love triangle going too. Awesome, right? And then after a while, since JP hinted at Matt/Caroline giving it a try, a Caroline/Matt/Rebekah triangle, which would lead on from the Klaus/Caroline/Tyler triangle, and there is the love triangle of Caroline/Tyler/Hayley as well. Wow! So many freakin’ triangles, I am confused, but hopefully you get it. LOL.

  • lolalovestvd

    LOL!!! Pull yourself together and take an aspirin before you give yourself a heart attack. It’s a television show. You should try not to be so defensive and make an argument about something that isn’t there. 

    I just prefer not to view the show on a superficial “good guy” vs. “bad guy” level when there is so much subtext to appreciate and explore. You are also entitled to view things how you will and comment on them. However, I don’t require a sermon from the pulpit nor a virtual tongue-lashing on my “failings” and “lack of understanding” from a stranger on the internet just because you disagree with me.  None of your arguments for Stefan invalidate anything I was talking about – in fact for the most part they don’t even address them. I don’t need to tear down Stefan’s character or try to build up Damon’s. Everything is there in plain sight, for the viewer who watches with an open and curious mind.  We run low on space here so I’ll end this conversation now. However, I would point out one thing. Your desire to dismiss Stefan’s initial actions and lies is confusing as from those very actions sprang everything else that has happened. Or, if we are to dismiss all of Stefan’s past acts, then so shall all of Damon’s past be ignored as well. Everyone can start fresh.  
    Pura Vida! ;D

  • Zara

    First of all— to have Elena completely change into the
    person other than what we know to be Elena Gilbert is character assassination.
    Look at Stefan. Didn’t we all see him turn into someone completely the opposite
    of what we knew him as in S3? Yes, we did. But we also watched him return
    because to have Stefan Salvatore a ripper for life would destroy the show.
    They’ll never turn her completely into this other person just to ‘choose’
    Damon. That was my whole point. Her choice to be with Stefan as a human just
    means more now. It was of a pure nature. She’s a vampire now, yes but the
    writers will never permanently change who she is.

    “Elena is warm, and she’s kind, and she’s caring, and she’s

    THAT is the statement for Elena Gilbert. Whatever darkness
    she enters into, the writers will always have her return from it and into the
    light. And are the rules being forgotten about here? Everything is magnified.
    She may feel even deeper for Damon, but she LOVES Stefan and he was her choice.
    I think that means she’ll love him even more now.

  • Zara

    That’s cool because I love Damon too, and I don’t bring any of the stuff from the past e.g. the controversial JNSI because well, no one cares anymore, and neither do I. Everyone on the show got over it, and so did I. I still don’t justify it though, but I understand that Damon was not in right state of mind. If anything, I’m Team Salvatore/Defan above all, because I don’t like seeing either Salvatore hurt in general, especially by Elena, and I don’t like seeing her hurt either, but they (Delena) are not going to get my sympathy if they are going to do this hanky panky business. It’s either just be together, and be cruel to be kind and just tell Stefan if they want to be together, or just end this silly, funny business. It’s just not productive, and yes I hate the love triangle, because it paints them all in a negative light, some more than others. Delena seems like fanservice for the most part these days, just for the sake of keeping the main premise of the show (the love triangle of doom) to keep going and to keep the fans happy, Joshua Butler himself says that TVD tries to please all fans, and they have to keep Delena having ‘moments’ with Stelena fans giving up on them. It’s a tough job, no doubt, but I really don’t know how they’re going to keep it going in S5 and S6, unless Delena does happen, but I just don’t see how it’ll work in the long-term since the new vamp, and the darkness etc. will die down after a while, so that won’t be that much of a viable possibility. 

  • †_ṂῘⱤ₳∏ƉΔ_†

    Maybe so, maybe not. We’ll just have to see! :)

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